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Published 31/08/2021 @ 11:32:50, By 48bux
I join the question :grin: I know, they aren't really two separate generations of course, but S1 and S2 is quite commonly used on them..


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Published 31/08/2021 @ 13:56:41, By Jnglmpera
Speaking of Mks, I know I'm going to go off topic, but I was wondering why most Japanese models don't have Mks except for the Prius when most people commonly refer to the generations of each models.
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Published 31/08/2021 @ 18:19:23, By JB007

Because for me, it’s not about generation but restyling (and even quite light). Moreover, the English wiki does not clearly notify the different phases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CitroABn_Saxo
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/CitroABn_Saxo
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Published 01/09/2021 @ 01:05:57, By dsl
Agree it's only a light restyle, but it's visually recognisable so useful for IDs. There's a fair few examples without Mark numbers to process, but the majority have been done. If a change benefits the database, let's do it, but I don't see how this one would.
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Published 01/09/2021 @ 21:56:57, By 48bux
Can you please set all Fiat Sedici with a made for EU tag, as the origin is Japan? Thanks in advance :wink:
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Published 03/09/2021 @ 02:00:39, By Exiv96
Speaking of Mks, I know I'm going to go off topic, but I was wondering why most Japanese models don't have Mks except for the Prius when most people commonly refer to the generations of each models.


It would create problems, because different markets around the world would mean different Mks.

Take the Toyota Supra. In North America, the current one is considered the Mk V, because their first one was the A40 Celica Supra, back in the late 1970s. In Europe, however, the current Supra would be the Mk IV, because their first one was the A60 Celica Supra in 1982.

What about Japan ? With the A40 and A60 sold locally as Celica XX, is the new Supra considered a Mk III there ?
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Published 03/09/2021 @ 08:03:17, By antp

Because for me, it’s not about generation but restyling (and even quite light). Moreover, the English wiki does not clearly notify the different phases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CitroABn_Saxo
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/CitroABn_Saxo


And what about the 106 ?
As said above S1 & S2 is often used to refer these, maybe I could make the mk-number display as S+number then for these, instead of using the chassis code for the 106 S2 as currently?
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Published 03/09/2021 @ 16:56:37, By JB007

And what about the 106 ?
As said above S1 & S2 is often used to refer these, maybe I could make the mk-number display as S+number then for these, instead of using the chassis code for the 106 S2 as currently?

For the 106, if "S1" and "S2" are not the official chassis-codes, they must be deleted, on the other hand, the Mk have all their interests here. For the Saxo, the problem is that there are "Series 1", "Series 1+" and "Series 2".
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Published 04/09/2021 @ 05:59:53, By Jnglmpera


It would create problems, because different markets around the world would mean different Mks.

Take the Toyota Supra. In North America, the current one is considered the Mk V, because their first one was the A40 Celica Supra, back in the late 1970s. In Europe, however, the current Supra would be the Mk IV, because their first one was the A60 Celica Supra in 1982.

What about Japan ? With the A40 and A60 sold locally as Celica XX, is the new Supra considered a Mk III there ?


That does explain it well... Especially with the Supra example, Wikipedia factors the US models in counting generations but some sites don't, calling the JZA80 the 2nd gen :dawagratgrat:
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Published 04/09/2021 @ 18:58:09, By antp

For the 106, if "S1" and "S2" are not the official chassis-codes, they must be deleted,


Not really chassis code, but I think that S2 was used at some places by Peugeot on documents for referencing the second series.
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Published 16/09/2021 @ 18:08:08, By dhill_cb7
antp the 1999-2004 Honda Odyssey are a mess. Some have Japan origin. Some have US origin. What is proper way to list these?

The NA pre face lift models were all built in Canada. I just check VINs for 1999-2001. 2002 were built in the Canada but 2003-2004 switched to US built.

So definitely 1999-2001 should have the built in Canada flag but 2002-2004 could be built in USA or CDN depending on the actual year.

Latest Edition: 16/09/2021 @ 18:08:55
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Published 17/09/2021 @ 09:07:12, By antp
antp the 1999-2004 Honda Odyssey are a mess. Some have Japan origin. Some have US origin. What is proper way to list these?


Well it depends on the models... It seems that the name was used for two different models:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Odyssey_(North_America)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Odyssey_(international)
First we have to know who conceived/designed that North-America model: US, Canada or Japan?
The US/Canada model was sold in Japan under another name, so I guess that the Japanese Odyssey is a different one.
We only have two on the site: https://www.imcdb.org/search.php?resultsStyle=asList&sortBy=0&make=Honda&model=L- agreat
They are listed as origin = Japan, if it is correct we could list all 1999-2004 Odyssey the same way, it would be easier than having to check them case by case to see which one of the two versions it is.
However for the build location the same problem arises.
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Published 17/09/2021 @ 18:31:57, By JB007
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Published 19/09/2021 @ 13:35:34, By antp
Updated
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Published 19/09/2021 @ 17:28:32, By dhill_cb7
@JB in this instance wiki is accurate but I would use allpar.com for mopar codes. Wiki can be edited by anyone.

https://www.allpar.com/threads/master-platform-body-codes-list.81103/ -extensive list.

Latest Edition: 19/09/2021 @ 17:30:53
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Published 19/09/2021 @ 22:58:00, By Exiv96
True, this list is much better than Wikipedia. [DN] is corret, but the rest isn't. Its DN, then HB then WD. So, uhmmm, please correct.
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Published 20/09/2021 @ 02:52:50, By JB007
@dhill_cb7, @Exiv96 > Thank you for the correction and your return.
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Published 20/09/2021 @ 09:37:56, By antp
updated
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Published 21/09/2021 @ 07:35:45, By JB007
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Published 21/09/2021 @ 13:05:05, By Lateef
Completely normal. There are hatchback and notchback versions of the 2nd and 3rd gen Mustang, that's why.
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Published 21/09/2021 @ 17:28:27, By JB007
Okay, thanks for the answer.
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