Subject: Unknown Austin-Healey
04/03/2014 @ 03:06:44: eLMeR: Unknown Austin-Healey
Hello!

Its just for a background car, and mostly for my personal knowledge, so I don't want to overload the IMCDb server with these pictures. But can anyone tell what car is the white and clear blue one, in the background of this scene (from Unforgettable, ep. 2.06)?
Looks like an Austin-Healey (100, 100-6 or 3000?), for me, but the rear lights don't fit.

The main photo is already inline, so it's not that important. Except maybe for my mental health, as I don't like to have a incomplete list for that picture :smile:
04/03/2014 @ 03:07:02: eLMeR: Unknown Austin-Healey
(The post was first published in a wrong thread, but dsl answered: )
@ eLMeR I think it is an early A-H 100 because of the rear lights. 1953 100-4 had no bonnet scoop and 57+ 100-6 and all later 3000 did, so if you can get a bonnet glimpse that's the clearest way to separate. But using your captures, 100-4 had filler cap inside boot and 100-6 and later had external below rear window, so this smells 100-4. And it looks as if leather bonnet strap, which was Oct 55 100M only (most of the 1,159 production being two-tone). So your dedication to IDing this car seems well worth it. And it should definitely have a page.
04/03/2014 @ 03:07:44: eLMeR: Unknown Austin-Healey
@ dsl: the first time I saw this car, it seems to me it was an AH, although I don't really know the details of that make. Looking at pictures (Wikimedia, Flickr, Bing and so on), I noticed the "filler cap issue" and some others details. But I didn't find a picture in wich the rear lights were not one above the other. As I focused on that problem, it was difficult for me to recognise the model.

I added 2 photos on my website. Unfortunately, there is no front view, so we cannot see more of the hood/bonnet. But I thing you're right, its Ok for at least a AH 100: I found two "twins" of the car of Unforgettable: 2 1956 Austin Healey 100 with a "Le Mans kit". On the black model, a plate says: "100 - This car has been fitted with a 'Le Mans' modification kit".
The tail of both of them match the one of the Tv model, with no second upper lights...

For the IMCDb, should it be noted just as an Austin Healey 100M, as a "100 'Le Mans'", or as a "100M Le Mans"? According to wikipedia:
"the 100M components (except for the high compression pistons) were also available as the Le Mans Engine Modification Kit which could be installed in either a BN1 or BN2 [...]. The Le Mans kit and its component parts could be ordered from BMC, so cars were modified by Austin dealers and private owners"
And most "normal" 100M seem to have the double rear lights...

Second question: which pic would be the best for the new page, in your opinion? It's frustrating there's no entire view of the car...
04/03/2014 @ 05:04:49: dsl: Unknown Austin-Healey
1] I'm happy with 1956 Austin Healey 100M as ID.
2] use the picture where the car is most obvious to the film viewer (I guess the rear view in showroom??) as the main. Put other pictures in comments.

At those distances and with fragmented views, we can not prove 100M, but it is an early 100-4 at least, and the bonnet strap gives 100M. We can't prevent it being a lookalike - bonnet straps are easy to fit - but there is nothing visible to prevent it being 100M and all other clues seem present. Sometimes we just have to make the best ID possible from what's visible.
04/03/2014 @ 10:38:05: antp: Unknown Austin-Healey
To me http://elmer.re:8043/Photos/picture.php?/21/category/IMCDb-Unknown1 is better as main pic : the car seems more visible (and I guess it is quite noticeable as there are less cars on screen in that scene)
On the showroom pic it is really far/small.
04/03/2014 @ 14:02:05: dsl: Unknown Austin-Healey
^ ... and has the advantage of showing the bonnet strap.
04/03/2014 @ 16:50:49: antp: Unknown Austin-Healey
That detail can be shown in comments, that's what extra picures are made for :wink:
Main pic should be the one that gives the best overall view of the car.
05/03/2014 @ 01:32:40: eLMeR: Unknown Austin-Healey
Thanks to show the proper way to a padawan, masters Jedi! :smile: And thanks for your patience.
Page done.

It could have been on the "1956 Austin Healey 100M Le Mans" page, on which you posted a comment, dsl, but as you say,
1]At those distances and with fragmented views, we can not prove 100M, but it is an early 100-4 at least, and the bonnet strap gives 100M. We can't prevent it being a lookalike - bonnet straps are easy to fit - but there is nothing visible to prevent it being 100M and all other clues seem present. Sometimes we just have to make the best ID possible from what's visible.

With your permission, I'll add this analysis on a comment with the other views.

For the record: on the "simple" Austin Healey 100M page, someone wrote:
"I suspect that by now, after 55 years, no two cars are exactly similar." :wink:
On that page, the tail matches "my" criteria of simple rear lights, by the way...

@ dsl: never tried to solve this? :smile:
05/03/2014 @ 23:12:46: dsl: Unknown Austin-Healey
With your permission, I'll add this analysis on a comment with the other views.

Go for it.
@ dsl: never tried to solve this? :smile:

Easy. Done - 66+ Mk3.
06/03/2014 @ 09:23:13: marioman3138: Unknown Austin-Healey
I assume you are a Healey fan dsl?
This is my mates dads https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=546538185432965&set=a.544469532306497.10- 73741833.417986638288121&type=3&theater
Races in Group S historics in Australia. Theres some other photos in that album that I have taken of similar cars. More Healeys, MGs, Porsches, Aussie Muscle, etc.
06/03/2014 @ 12:32:58: dsl: Unknown Austin-Healey
Not really, but our site selection had too many unknowns so I worked out what to look for to separate the different versions - once you get the sequence, it's more straightforward than most people think. It kind of stuck, and - even better - no-one picked up errors.

Nice Sandown album - good pictures and some unexpected - for me - sightings. Did not realise Aus had so many Rover 25/MG ZR and ZS - were they common? And they seem to like putting great big rear wings on some unlikely victims - a 4 door Escort Mk2, for instance.
09/03/2014 @ 13:32:46: marioman3138: Unknown Austin-Healey
The MG ZR/ZS were all ex BTTC cars or from the MG class that existed in the mid-2000s with the V8s, racing in the MG class.
That Escort was racing in regularity, where you try to lap with all your times at the same time.
I just got back from the Historics at Phillip Island, I'm going to have to go thorugh the photos I took to upload. over 500 cars, a lot of really interesting stuff.
09/03/2014 @ 23:52:24: eLMeR: Unknown Austin-Healey
There is a classic cars meeting each month here, in Toulouse. Today, I had a thought about this topic:

http://elmer.re:8043/Photos/_data/i/upload/2014/03/10/20140310064921-1284a64b-2s.jpg
(As usual, click...)

Thank you, dsl, I had no problem to identified these two ones :grin:
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