hey i heard that the new 2007 navigator have no recalls! finally my dad can drive a navigator without a problem

: im thinking about trading in my 1998 navigator wich has 340,123 miles on it and get a brand new 2007 XJ8 in ebony black. they are very cool cars never i driven a XJ8. and this is how im gonna look in it

If you would have read more carefully, you would have seen that "Car And Driver" said the Land Cruiser’s acceleration was as prompt as the Lincoln Navigator’s. I didn’t say that. What Car And Drive was saying was that even though the Land Cruiser's DOHC 32-valve V8 does NOT have the same power output the Ford Triton V8 has, The Toyota Land Cruiser is still faster than the Expedition or Navigator.

The only thing I’m trying to prove to you is that, YOU assumed the Land Cruiser was a sluggish, cumbersome and incapable vehicle. When actually the Toyota Land Cruiser is a intelligent, quick and agile vehicle.

And as for the price? I can tell you that the Land Cruiser is worth what it costs. It’s the best vehicle I have ever had. I know you are young, but when you get the chance to drive a Toyota Land Cruiser, you will understand.

Yes, that was an old model patrol, but they are still used by the UN, as are the new ones. http://www.autosuper.ru/pub/photos/nissan%20patrol.jpg
I'd prefer a Discovery anyway. Or a defender at that.

If I wanted something like a Land Cruiser, it would be a Jeep Wrangler. To me the Land Cruiser has become way to refined, too Escalade-like and too fat. Wranglers are still the kings of the offroad world and they have kept the look they had during World War II. Sure, they are bigger and more refined but every remade car is. But it is not too refined.

And, Neptune, the 0-60 times of the Land Cruiser you said were same as Navigators? Navigators are Lincoln rebadged Expedition. And all I see is the Land Cruiser is better offroad, thats it, and for me the prices end it all. A Expedition is nearly two thousand dollars cheaper!

I'd rather have the Land Cruiser than the Expedition, although the Ford is a fine vehicle. But given that I don't tow much, the Expedition comes across as a slightly glorified minivan, while the Land Cruiser conjures up images of greatness, of an actual heritage, and of something more interesting than the daily grind. Plus, old FJ40s are just awesome.

Yes, I’m aware of how much a new Land Cruiser costs, I bought one…

Even though the Expedition has a more powerful engine that doesn’t mean it can out perform the Land Cruiser. The Land Cruiser can out-accelerate a Ford Expedition with no problem. The Land Cruiser’s 4.7-liter DOHC 32-valve V8 is more refined than the 5.4 liter Triton V8 found in the Expedition, with the added plus of having quicker throttle response than the Expedition’s V8.

Here is what "Car And Driver" had to say about the 2006 through 2007 Toyota Land Cruiser…

"In our tests, the Land Cruiser’s 0-to-60-mph acceleration (pre power boost) was on a par with that of the Range Rover 4.6HSE and four-wheel-drive Lincoln Navigator. For all that, acceleration isn’t this engine’s only strong suit. This may be the smoothest V-8 truck engine we’ve ever driven, winding from idle to redline almost without vibration.

Although this is a very large vehicle that falls somewhere in bulk between a Range Rover and a Chevy Tahoe, it makes good use of its outsized dimensions. The front seats are wide and comfortable, and there’s enough head and shoulder room to create a feeling of plentiful space. The middle seat is equally comfortable, with lots of room for knees and elbows, and the third-row seat is adequate for occasional use."

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The Land Cruiser is equipped with a intelligent V8 that employs a smart variable valve timing system that helps the engine be more efficient, compared to Ford’s Triton V8.

I think the Toyota Land Cruiser has done quite well for its design (Mind you it’s design is over a decade old) but it still won the title "4x4 of the year", last year. Proving you can still teach a old dog new tricks.

Land Cruisers, to me, are just useless Toyotas. My friend, Vikki, had one. ONE. And went to Blazers. And is all around happier. And back to Expedition vs. Land Cruiser, you do realize that Land Cruisers start at over $20,000 more then Expeditions right? The top-of-the-line 2007 Ford Expedition EL Limited 4X4 is priced at $42,575, while the base model 2007 Toyota Land Cruiser 4X4 is: $56,215! Thats seriously expensive. And just for 500lb more towing? I don't think so. And thats really the Land Cruiser's only benefit. The Expedition XLT has more horsepower: Expedition has 300HP and 365lb-ft torque and Land Cruiser has 275HP and 332lb-ft torque. Expedition wins in the room area too: Expeditions have 9 passengers, while Land Cruisers seat 8, and the only area Land Cruisers have more room is in the front row leg room. Only in 1 inch. Sure, the base model Expedition lacks 2 cubic feet in rear cargo space, but Expedition EL has 22 cubic inches more in cargo space. And I admit the Land Cruiser is better offroad. But the Expedition was not meant to be a offroad SUV. In my opinion, and I think this very true, there are three types of SUVs. True SUVs (offroaders, like Broncos and Land Cruisers), multi-purpose work SUVs (Expeditions, Explorers, Suburbans) and then City SUVs (Escapes, Nitros).

Comparison

Written by Explorer4x4:
"Expeditions are the same as Expedition EL's except in length. Same height and width. And the Expedition is not a offroad SUV, nore is Suburban. They are multi-purpose people movers. They haul cargo, passengers, trailers and other things. I doubt a Toyota Land Cruiser can haul a trailer as easily as a Expedition. And Explorers are mid-size SUV's, not full-size. Land Cruisers are full-size."



If you want to talk about the capability the Toyota Land Cruiser, my Land Cruiser can tow up too 6,500lbs; while the standard Expedition can only tow 6,000lbs. I think the Land Cruiser is a all-round better vehicle than the Expedition, which is why I bought one. Ford Expeditions’ are nice, don’t get me wrong, (I have owned two of them) However I needed a more capable vehicle.

The Land Cruiser also has better factory fit and finish, than the Expedition, while also having a better reliability record.

It is also noted that Ford designed the first generation Expedition with the Land Cruiser mind (they wanted it to be able to compete with Land Cruiser) not just the Chevrolet Tahoe and Suburban. However due to Land Cruiser’s more prominent background, more luxurious passenger cabin accommodations, it’s Off-Road capability and its fit and finish quality; Ford abandoned the idea of the Expedition competing with the Land Cruiser.