Send an answer to a topic: Poll: Too many pointless background vehicles?
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valiant1962
I think DAF has put it exactly right
DAF555
Work has been eating my time for the last month, so I havn´t been here at all.
I´ve read through most comments on the subject now and I voted YES.
But only since I believe there are too many blurry and small/distant vehicles listed. The amount of background vehicles doesn´t really matter as long as the captures are good, in my opinion. Even if it´s a background vehicle and maybe just a part of it, the details shown might be of great interest for the enthusiast restoring a car like that. Just as an example.
So I belive they fill a purpose from the view of the auto historian. If you don´t want to see them, there´s always the possibility to make a sorting of the stars.
And it´s good to have the debate to try to find some consensus on what´s worth listing since it´s not always easy to draw the line.
There have been comments on cropping and such of the captures, I believe that as far as possible the capture should be left in full size. At least on the main picture.
But for identifying purposes a collage with parts from different angles like Ralph does, or these with contrasts, are very good. But I think they should be put in the comments.
I´ve read through most comments on the subject now and I voted YES.
But only since I believe there are too many blurry and small/distant vehicles listed. The amount of background vehicles doesn´t really matter as long as the captures are good, in my opinion. Even if it´s a background vehicle and maybe just a part of it, the details shown might be of great interest for the enthusiast restoring a car like that. Just as an example.
So I belive they fill a purpose from the view of the auto historian. If you don´t want to see them, there´s always the possibility to make a sorting of the stars.
And it´s good to have the debate to try to find some consensus on what´s worth listing since it´s not always easy to draw the line.
There have been comments on cropping and such of the captures, I believe that as far as possible the capture should be left in full size. At least on the main picture.
But for identifying purposes a collage with parts from different angles like Ralph does, or these with contrasts, are very good. But I think they should be put in the comments.
antp
Well, we can wait one or two days, some members do not come every day
G-MANN
Do you think the poll is pretty much finished now? Maybe now you can take down the notice from the site's main page.
I have to admit I'm suprised so many people voted "no", even if they are outnumbered by the people who voted "yes".
I have to admit I'm suprised so many people voted "no", even if they are outnumbered by the people who voted "yes".
G-MANN
I think at least the contributor should give a decent reason for posting a background car if it doesn't seem to fit the obvious criteria (rareness/interest value/relevance to the action/well visible) otherwise maybe it just isn't worth posting. The thing is some people aren't interested in being more descrimate and don't want to change.
antp
Anyway there won't by any "change" in the rules (as there are no fixed rules): for me the "too background cars" were never "allowed", it is just that for some time nobody was really saying anything about them (except me sometimes, and I was just not listened 
)
It should rather be a reminder of what has its place on the site and what has not. The question is what to do, as not all members/admins have the same point of view about that?
)It should rather be a reminder of what has its place on the site and what has not. The question is what to do, as not all members/admins have the same point of view about that?
G-MANN
29 votes have been collected, so have nearly all the regulars voted?
G-MANN
What about pictures of cars that aren't physically in the film, just a picture of a picture. http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_70535-BMW-Isetta.html
Stuff like that should be restricted to the comments section.
philr
Tout comme les noms des figurants qui apparaissent aux génériques, je crois qu'il est souhaitable et pertinent de nommer le plus possible de véhicules figurants. Parfois, je regarde un film européen et j'ignore le modèle d'une certaine voiture qu'on voit brièvement. Si elle est listée sur ce site, ça va me permettre de l'identifier!
Voici un autre exemple où une voiture peu visible peut être d'un certain intérêt:
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=79685
La dernière photo que j'ai envoyée montre une Buick Skylark des années 1980 dans un film dont l'action se situe en 1975. Pour moi, c'est un anachronisme qui mérite d'être mentionné.
I think that background cars should be listed. Here's why, sometimes when I watch a european movie, I see a car briefly and I'm wondering what it is. If the movie has been posted to this site, I'd appreciate finding information on that particular car.
And here's another reason.
The last picture I sent on this link
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=79685
shows a car from the eighties very far in the background. Since the action is suopposed to take place in 1975, I think it's an interesting detail to note, just like goofs on the IMDB website.
Voici un autre exemple où une voiture peu visible peut être d'un certain intérêt:
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=79685
La dernière photo que j'ai envoyée montre une Buick Skylark des années 1980 dans un film dont l'action se situe en 1975. Pour moi, c'est un anachronisme qui mérite d'être mentionné.
I think that background cars should be listed. Here's why, sometimes when I watch a european movie, I see a car briefly and I'm wondering what it is. If the movie has been posted to this site, I'd appreciate finding information on that particular car.
And here's another reason.
The last picture I sent on this link
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=79685
shows a car from the eighties very far in the background. Since the action is suopposed to take place in 1975, I think it's an interesting detail to note, just like goofs on the IMDB website.
sixcyl
translation, with Babelfish ... sorry, but I didn't feel like to do it myself ..too late !
The opprobrium seems to be thrown on Sixcyl, one would say! nommémment or not, but there is a handle of admin. here low which wants some with its manners! ... certainly, I am not only aimed, but nevertheless! Then, I put in perspective a little the things from my point of view... I adore IMCDB and I believe that it returns it well to me, I never looked at as many films daily since more than one year that I take part in this beautiful work... I like the cinema, I like the cars, I love the actors and the actresses (oh yes) who occur there under the cut of Masters, large or less large, of the setting in cinematographic scene... All that is a pleasure, not a drudgery... I observe films with a new eye which leads me to capture any image of what rolls on road in the time of a film (and some will extras like the planes, trains, boats... and the chests of the actresses... ahah). This step is a real pleasure for me, and I post the images which I think useful for the site and which are pleasant for me to present, with generosity because I am never scanty auxiliary photographs in "thumbnail" on a listed model. The vehicles of background are quite as important for me that others, because they ask a detailed attention and more work than when one limits oneself to the vehicles having a real role in film... In addition, I find that they are of an interest as well as the whole of the decorations used to make a film... if we will not speak about the coffee machines, the ashtrays, the typewriters, of the halls... or what else, is not IMCDB the suitable place to present the cars of background which take part in these decorations? ... it is my manner of paying homage to the work of the realizer, and I laugh a little those which shout with the sacrilege to see a vehicle of background cut and zoomed not very visible on the photograph of origin and that besides themselves would perhaps not have seen! This attitude, I do not require it of anybody, and I wish that each one make with its manner even if it has the advantage of never not risking to miss the rare pearl, the vehicle which is not "under the shoe of a horse"... this moment a little jubilatoire is amplified when from unknown factor it passes to the statute of identified by one among us! ... it is very idiot, but it is my pleasure! In addition, and to supplement my argument in favour of the cars of background, I do not see any evil to be listed, by choosing the best photograph, banal Checker Marathon taxi, Simca 1000, a FIAT 600, Austin Mini or Mercédès which would appear even a little distant, 2,5 or 10 times in the same film?... because from my point of view, they make substance in the decorations and for the subject which interests us, and thus, have their place in the card film. Yes my creed inclines me to tend to exhaustiveness, and an approach (in image) like the specimen report made of film "the wages of the fear" of H.G Clouzot on site XXXX, where all, and strictly all the vehicles are described (I acknowledge myself that 1 or 2 has escaped me).... For as much, and that one do not mistake as some seem to do it, the images having direction only when they are visible, I do not put obviously all on line and a good number of captures which I carried out were never listed for vehicle really too fuzzy, deformed, not indentifiables. Exhaustiveness is thus not possible for all films, far is necessary some! In short, all is a question of cursor about the scale of values and of free will according to his own criteria within the current general framework fixed about IMCDB. However, I support "mordicus" that the choices and the "work" of each one must respected as the space of freedom, "sine qua non" condition of our voluntary contributions... I contribute my modest share to the identification of certain cards, with the setting in line of certain films, with a personal "key" that me will not be removed and who seems to obstruct a handle of administrators who, up tome, would be more useful to seek to identify certain vehicles rather than to haggle over the processes used by others in this activity. My way of making and my choices will never have again incidence than time spent inevitably limited (I have a life apart from IMCDB even if a share of my spare time is collected by this site), drowned in the ocean of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of film that the history of the cinema to count little, a water drop consequently!!! I vote NOT (the question is well asked = YES for me, NOT for the adversary... as in politics ... ahah)
The opprobrium seems to be thrown on Sixcyl, one would say! nommémment or not, but there is a handle of admin. here low which wants some with its manners! ... certainly, I am not only aimed, but nevertheless! Then, I put in perspective a little the things from my point of view... I adore IMCDB and I believe that it returns it well to me, I never looked at as many films daily since more than one year that I take part in this beautiful work... I like the cinema, I like the cars, I love the actors and the actresses (oh yes) who occur there under the cut of Masters, large or less large, of the setting in cinematographic scene... All that is a pleasure, not a drudgery... I observe films with a new eye which leads me to capture any image of what rolls on road in the time of a film (and some will extras like the planes, trains, boats... and the chests of the actresses... ahah). This step is a real pleasure for me, and I post the images which I think useful for the site and which are pleasant for me to present, with generosity because I am never scanty auxiliary photographs in "thumbnail" on a listed model. The vehicles of background are quite as important for me that others, because they ask a detailed attention and more work than when one limits oneself to the vehicles having a real role in film... In addition, I find that they are of an interest as well as the whole of the decorations used to make a film... if we will not speak about the coffee machines, the ashtrays, the typewriters, of the halls... or what else, is not IMCDB the suitable place to present the cars of background which take part in these decorations? ... it is my manner of paying homage to the work of the realizer, and I laugh a little those which shout with the sacrilege to see a vehicle of background cut and zoomed not very visible on the photograph of origin and that besides themselves would perhaps not have seen! This attitude, I do not require it of anybody, and I wish that each one make with its manner even if it has the advantage of never not risking to miss the rare pearl, the vehicle which is not "under the shoe of a horse"... this moment a little jubilatoire is amplified when from unknown factor it passes to the statute of identified by one among us! ... it is very idiot, but it is my pleasure! In addition, and to supplement my argument in favour of the cars of background, I do not see any evil to be listed, by choosing the best photograph, banal Checker Marathon taxi, Simca 1000, a FIAT 600, Austin Mini or Mercédès which would appear even a little distant, 2,5 or 10 times in the same film?... because from my point of view, they make substance in the decorations and for the subject which interests us, and thus, have their place in the card film. Yes my creed inclines me to tend to exhaustiveness, and an approach (in image) like the specimen report made of film "the wages of the fear" of H.G Clouzot on site XXXX, where all, and strictly all the vehicles are described (I acknowledge myself that 1 or 2 has escaped me).... For as much, and that one do not mistake as some seem to do it, the images having direction only when they are visible, I do not put obviously all on line and a good number of captures which I carried out were never listed for vehicle really too fuzzy, deformed, not indentifiables. Exhaustiveness is thus not possible for all films, far is necessary some! In short, all is a question of cursor about the scale of values and of free will according to his own criteria within the current general framework fixed about IMCDB. However, I support "mordicus" that the choices and the "work" of each one must respected as the space of freedom, "sine qua non" condition of our voluntary contributions... I contribute my modest share to the identification of certain cards, with the setting in line of certain films, with a personal "key" that me will not be removed and who seems to obstruct a handle of administrators who, up tome, would be more useful to seek to identify certain vehicles rather than to haggle over the processes used by others in this activity. My way of making and my choices will never have again incidence than time spent inevitably limited (I have a life apart from IMCDB even if a share of my spare time is collected by this site), drowned in the ocean of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of film that the history of the cinema to count little, a water drop consequently!!! I vote NOT (the question is well asked = YES for me, NOT for the adversary... as in politics ... ahah)