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forum_emoticons.html	[quote=weasel1984,29147]The car manufacturers have always dissapeared - that's not so big drama, the main problem of our times is the fact, that since many years it is completly not possible to create any new car producer in Europe, mainly because of the "free market" and big international concerns, which are competitors not to defeating in such shape. So, yes - that's true - existance of smaller manufacturers is impossible in today's politic and economic order, but nothing lasts forever... I like to be optimistic. :p[/quote]
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ingo

Breaking news: GM had decided, not to sell Opel/Vauxhall.

ingo

With the Opel/Vauxhall-situtation the most Germans aren't or convinced or satisfied. The deal with Magna-Steyr and the Russian Sberbank is not fixed and nearly all risks are hanging on the German taxpayers. It's not clear, that a insolvence will not happend. The people are just happy, that Opel has left GM 2 days before its insolvency.

@marioman: they liked it (by the few hours, they had time for), but their favourite is Sydney.
Me and my wife had planned to make a big Australia-tour, driving with a rental pick-up across the country and staying at farms with B&B, but then we had bought a house and have spent our money for that...

My wife really envyes her Australian colleagues. She works for the German dependance of the French insurance-company AXA - have you noticed the place, where the AXA-office in Sydney is located? Directly at the harbour-front, close to the Opera, with view on the Harbour Bridge. As we've heard, it's usal for the employees there, to go surfing during their lunchtime...
This really causes heavy-envy-attacs. :sad:

antp

Quote From: ville84

Swedish media is reporting right now that Koenigsegg is the buyer of Saab

That could be a good news...

marioman3138

ingo-I don't think so, I checxked ebay and nothing-I'll looks in stores when I am around town. What did your parents-in-law think of Melbourne?

ville84

Swedish media is reporting right now that Koenigsegg is the buyer of Saab

http://www.thelocal.se/20022/20090611

ingo

@marioman: is this available somewhere?
http://imcdb.org/vehicle_188741-Holden-Commodore-Ute-VR-1993.html

I really would like to have it, but my parents-in-law, who hade made a big cruise half around Australia in Jan and Feb, haven't found it. They really have looked in every harbour, in Sydney, Melbourne, Hobart, Adelaide and Perth, but no shop had it.

atom

You buy a debt, good investment...

marioman3138

As far as I know, Holden will reamian. The Commodore (also the Caprice and Statesmen) are our own chassis/body/engine, so the that will remain (it is the biggest seller O/S)

For the Astra, Viva, Barina, etc. I don't know. Lets hope they stay :smile:

I wonder how much the car company is? I my buy one!!! :lol:

ingo

Now you can have Opel, Vauxhall and Saab for free:
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,619854,00.html
You only have to take investitations.

It's written, that GM wants to avoid to pull down the European daughters, when they are collapsing.

I'm asking myself, because nothing is said about that, what will happen with Holden and the South American Chevrolet-company? Their products are mainly based on the European Opel's.

chicomarx

Chrysler says Fiat to assume 35 percent of U.S. debt

DETROIT (Reuters) Thu Mar 19, 2009

Chrysler said proposed partner Fiat SpA (FIA.MI) would assume 35 percent of its debt to the U.S. government.

The No. 3 U.S. automaker has a nonbinding deal with Italian automaker Fiat, which has agreed to take a 35 percent stake in Chrysler in exchange for access to technology and overseas markets.

"That's a significant commitment for Fiat," said Brad Coulter, restructuring advisor at Detroit area O'Keefe & Associates, who follows the auto industry closely.

"We would leapfrog four, five or six years of development," he said. "It's a perfect fit, as opposed to conflicting brands, overlapping dealers, etc."

Chrysler also said the combined purchasing budget of the two companies would be $80 billion.

The automaker said earlier this week that the Fiat deal is worth up to $10 billion for Chrysler and could preserve 5,000 North American manufacturing jobs.