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JB007
Thanks, all updated, hoping I didn't do any mistake.
These two have quite generic names:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_336233-Saviem-SG.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1453882-Saviem-SG.html
do we keep them like that or is it possible to guess a more precise model?
And already a new one to check: https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=2148812
These two have quite generic names:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_336233-Saviem-SG.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1453882-Saviem-SG.html
do we keep them like that or is it possible to guess a more precise model?
And already a new one to check: https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=2148812
For these, 1965+ Renault Super Galion SG-4 by default:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_336233-Saviem-SG.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1453882-Saviem-SG.html
For this, 1971+ Saviem Super Goélette SG-2, even if the inscription on the grille does not match either Saviem, Renault or Avia:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=2148812
For this, 1971+ Saviem Super Goélette SG-2.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1188289-Saviem.html
A few updates to do:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_409929-Saviem-TP-3-1969.html#Comment4008685
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1943175-Renault-TP-3.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1049093-Renault-Super-Galion-SG-4.html#Comment4008687
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1894485-Saviem-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-SG-2-1971.html#Comment4008717
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1266161-Saviem-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-SG-2-1971.html#Comment3987361
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_74840-Saviem-SM-1968.html#Comment4008734
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_866931-Saviem.html#Comment4008735
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1811809-Saviem.html#Comment4008737
rjluna2
Could these Australian assembled Ford Falcon station wagon from the Sixties can be originated on its own design? Per my finding at my comment at https://imcdb.opencommunity.be/forum_topic-6011-96207.html#p96207
antp
Thanks, all updated, hoping I didn't do any mistake.
These two have quite generic names:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_336233-Saviem-SG.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1453882-Saviem-SG.html
do we keep them like that or is it possible to guess a more precise model?
And already a new one to check: https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=2148812
These two have quite generic names:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_336233-Saviem-SG.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1453882-Saviem-SG.html
do we keep them like that or is it possible to guess a more precise model?
And already a new one to check: https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=2148812
JB007
@antp> As promised for the Renault Saviem SG.
Based on the data from these pages:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Super_Go%C3%A9lette#Sous_la_marque_Renault_- V%C3%A9hicules_Industriels_(1980_-_1982)
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Super_Galion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Super_Go%C3%A9lette
https://www.fondationberliet.org/ressources-documentaires-archives/archive-article-dossier-camion-berliet/renault-saviem-rvi-goelette-sg/
Make is Renault for these:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Saviem_model-SB-2+Trafic.html
Make is Renault, Model is "Super Goélette SG-2":
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Saviem_model-SG-2+Super+Go%C3%A9lette.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1153636-Saviem-SG-2.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_85739-Saviem-SG-2.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_50210-Saviem-SG-2.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_174163-Saviem-SG-2.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_783750-Saviem-SG-2.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1104884-Saviem-SG-2-1970.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1156571-Saviem-SG.html
Make is Renault, Model is "SG-2", year is 1980+:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Renault_model-SG-2.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1164788-Saviem-SG-2-1978.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_2087099-Saviem-SG-2-1978.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1521169-Saviem-SG-2-1978.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1393618-Saviem-SG-2-1978.html
Make is Renault, Model is "Super Galion SG-4":
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Saviem_model-SG-4+Super+Galion.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1143806-Saviem-SG-4.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_976139-Saviem-SG-4.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_911499-Saviem-SG-4-1965.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Renault_model-Super+Galion+SG4.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_988145-Saviem.html
Make is Renault, Model is "Super Galion SG-5", year is 1969:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Saviem_model-SG-5.html
1969+
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Saviem_model-TP+3.html
Make is Saviem, Model is "Super Goélette SG-2", year is "1971+":
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Saviem_model-SG-2.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_794454-Saviem-SG.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1452478-Saviem-SG.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1549975-Saviem-SG.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_870108-Saviem.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_974244-Saviem.html
For these, Make is "Saviem", Model is "Super Goélette SG-2", year is 1971+:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1455772-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_78231-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1968.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_908540-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1968.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_164262-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1968.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_311072-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1968.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_513115-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1968.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1686629-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1968.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_978653-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1972.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1710024-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1972.html
For these, Make is "Saviem", Model is "SG-5":
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_9433-Saviem-SG-5-1970.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1764606-Saviem-SG-5-MB73X-1975.html
Based on the data from these pages:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Super_Go%C3%A9lette#Sous_la_marque_Renault_- V%C3%A9hicules_Industriels_(1980_-_1982)
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Super_Galion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Super_Go%C3%A9lette
https://www.fondationberliet.org/ressources-documentaires-archives/archive-article-dossier-camion-berliet/renault-saviem-rvi-goelette-sg/
Make is Renault for these:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Saviem_model-SB-2+Trafic.html
Make is Renault, Model is "Super Goélette SG-2":
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Saviem_model-SG-2+Super+Go%C3%A9lette.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1153636-Saviem-SG-2.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_85739-Saviem-SG-2.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_50210-Saviem-SG-2.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_174163-Saviem-SG-2.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_783750-Saviem-SG-2.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1104884-Saviem-SG-2-1970.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1156571-Saviem-SG.html
Make is Renault, Model is "SG-2", year is 1980+:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Renault_model-SG-2.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1164788-Saviem-SG-2-1978.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_2087099-Saviem-SG-2-1978.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1521169-Saviem-SG-2-1978.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1393618-Saviem-SG-2-1978.html
Make is Renault, Model is "Super Galion SG-4":
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Saviem_model-SG-4+Super+Galion.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1143806-Saviem-SG-4.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_976139-Saviem-SG-4.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_911499-Saviem-SG-4-1965.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Renault_model-Super+Galion+SG4.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_988145-Saviem.html
Make is Renault, Model is "Super Galion SG-5", year is 1969:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Saviem_model-SG-5.html
1969+
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Saviem_model-TP+3.html
Make is Saviem, Model is "Super Goélette SG-2", year is "1971+":
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Saviem_model-SG-2.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_794454-Saviem-SG.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1452478-Saviem-SG.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1549975-Saviem-SG.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_870108-Saviem.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_974244-Saviem.html
For these, Make is "Saviem", Model is "Super Goélette SG-2", year is 1971+:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1455772-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_78231-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1968.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_908540-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1968.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_164262-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1968.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_311072-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1968.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_513115-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1968.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1686629-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1968.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_978653-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1972.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1710024-Saviem-SG-2-Super-Go%C3%A9lette-1972.html
For these, Make is "Saviem", Model is "SG-5":
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_9433-Saviem-SG-5-1970.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1764606-Saviem-SG-5-MB73X-1975.html
antp
Thanks for the confirmation, in the meantime on the page it was confirmed that the US tag was probably just an error in the chassis info
dsl
Info from Standard Catalog of Imported Cars basically confirms all this with a bit more detail.
- only a single SL version sold in US in any given year, so no parallel choices
- no sign of any US 420 SL ever; the only 420 listed was 420 SEL 1986-92
- SL sequence was
[1] 1972 only - 350 SL (but it had 4.5 engine)
[2] 1973-81 - 450 SL (and SLC)
[3] 1981-85 - replaced by 380 SL (and SLC, but that disappeared for 83)
[4] 1986-89 - replaced by 560SL
[5] 1990 R107 replaced by next gen SL.
- only a single SL version sold in US in any given year, so no parallel choices
- no sign of any US 420 SL ever; the only 420 listed was 420 SEL 1986-92
- SL sequence was
[1] 1972 only - 350 SL (but it had 4.5 engine)
[2] 1973-81 - 450 SL (and SLC)
[3] 1981-85 - replaced by 380 SL (and SLC, but that disappeared for 83)
[4] 1986-89 - replaced by 560SL
[5] 1990 R107 replaced by next gen SL.
antp
Strange, I added comment there, we'll see if someone finds an explanation. Possibly not a true US model.
MisterZ
Is it right to apply that to all models?
We have at least one exception: https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1668545-Mercedes-Benz-420-SL-R107-1986.html
If that's a 420SL then it can't be made for USA, since there was never a 420SL in the USA.
antp
Is it right to apply that to all models?
We have at least one exception: https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1668545-Mercedes-Benz-420-SL-R107-1986.html
MisterZ
560 SL:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?resultsStyle=asImages&yearFrom=1986&yearTo=19- 89&makeMatch=2&make=&modelMatch=1&model=SL&modelInclModel=on&modelInclChassis=on- &mk=&origin=&madein=&madefor=CDN&role=
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?resultsStyle=asImages&yearFrom=1986&yearTo=19- 89&makeMatch=2&make=Mercedes-Benz&modelMatch=1&model=SL&modelInclModel=on&modelInclChassis=on&mk=&origin=&madein=- &madefor=USA&role=
450 SL:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_580556-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_574107-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_557088-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_435815-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_444775-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_647547-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1051677-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1481056-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1450013-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1912068-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1993711-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_2028918-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_682595-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1975.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1495110-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1639592-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_2021435-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_260840-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1978.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1969589-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1853565-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_856089-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1454404-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1975.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_587248-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1214217-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1299234-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1359156-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_982948-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_2116189-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_456888-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1498748-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_839660-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1975.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1487793-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1975.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_169377-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1975.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_629085-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1978.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1929098-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_27496-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1978.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_27043-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1978.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_86484-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_762595-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_759766-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?resultsStyle=asImages&yearFrom=1986&yearTo=19- 89&makeMatch=2&make=&modelMatch=1&model=SL&modelInclModel=on&modelInclChassis=on- &mk=&origin=&madein=&madefor=CDN&role=
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?resultsStyle=asImages&yearFrom=1986&yearTo=19- 89&makeMatch=2&make=Mercedes-Benz&modelMatch=1&model=SL&modelInclModel=on&modelInclChassis=on&mk=&origin=&madein=- &madefor=USA&role=
450 SL:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_580556-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_574107-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_557088-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_435815-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_444775-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_647547-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1051677-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1481056-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1450013-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1912068-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1993711-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_2028918-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_682595-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1975.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1495110-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1639592-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_2021435-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_260840-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1978.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1969589-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1853565-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_856089-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1454404-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1975.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_587248-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1214217-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1299234-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1359156-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_982948-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_2116189-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_456888-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1498748-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_839660-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1975.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1487793-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1975.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_169377-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1975.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_629085-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1978.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1929098-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_27496-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1978.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_27043-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1978.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_86484-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_762595-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_759766-Mercedes-Benz-SL-R107-1977.html