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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 19/02/2009 @ 23:16:13, By CarChasesFanatic
Just as it sounds :cry:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/general-motors-scraps-high-performance-division.html

No more "V" versions for Caddies! :cry: :cry: :halalala:

Latest Edition: 19/02/2009 @ 23:17:19
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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 19/02/2009 @ 23:40:29, By taxiguy
For a second there, I thought you were talking about Pontiac :grin:

But they announced that they will sell or discontinue Saturn, Hummer, and Saab.

Latest Edition: 19/02/2009 @ 23:41:26
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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 20/02/2009 @ 10:22:35, By antp
I hope that Saab will be bought by some other group who will keep the make and possibly restore Saab's own identity :sweat:
Sad that Swedish government do not want to invest in that like what Germany & Belgium plan to do in Opel...

Latest Edition: 20/02/2009 @ 10:23:01
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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 20/02/2009 @ 10:55:08, By ingo
@CCF: if it will only be the "high performance"-Cadillacs, it will be nothing. And not enough at all.

Perhaps the whole GM-company will smash down. The national ideas to save Opel, Saab and Holden, can be not enough, too.

Just today the general opinion about Opel is changing. The last time the experts have said "Opel is healthy,
only the US-mother is in helpless bad condition".
Now they see, that the health of Opel is not as fine, as it was said before...


P.S.: the breaking news in this minute:
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,608839,00.html
Saab has declared its insolvency and try to survive as an own company, in close cooperation with Opel/Vauxhall.
The reason, why the Swedish government had denied any help, is, that the condition of Saab was too bad all along the last years.
But the European GM-business is too small to survive on its own. If they will be divorced from Detroit, they need a bigger partner. The discussion runs about Renault, PSA Citroen or something from China.

Latest Edition: 20/02/2009 @ 11:03:47
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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 20/02/2009 @ 11:25:51, By antp
Wasn't Renault interested by Saab at a point? Or was that just a rumor?
Though that now with Infiniti, they do not really need a luxury make. PSA could be more interested I guess, but in these days of economical problem it is not so easy.
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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 20/02/2009 @ 12:07:42, By ingo
As I understand the article, it's not the point, that Renault shall took over just Saab, now they must take the whole European "GM-packet", so Saab together with Opel and Vauxhall.

Some German politicans are talking about a national solution, so that VW, Mercedes and BMW shall buy Opel, but this is just an idea, about noone is thinking seriously about. The other brands aren't interesting (and had no money either).
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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 20/02/2009 @ 12:13:20, By ingo
The conclusion about this whole discussion is finally, that the Europeans and the Australians are trying to save their national GM-brands as a final rescue, because the US-mother is so chance- and helpless ramshackled, that a total collapse is more than likely.

@CCF: so finally it's quite probably, that there will be no Caddies at all any more, not just some tuned up ones.
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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 20/02/2009 @ 14:15:33, By coopey
I thought Cadillac was one of the four profitable brands that GM wanted to focus on.
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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 20/02/2009 @ 14:45:18, By CarChasesFanatic


@CCF: so finally it's quite probably, that there will be no Caddies at all any more, not just some tuned up ones.


I pretty much doubt that, along with Buick, Chevrolet and Pontiac Cadillac is one of their best brands, no way they are getting rid of it as easily... we will see others like Saturn disappearing before Cadillac.
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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 20/02/2009 @ 14:52:35, By coopey
No, Pontiac is not one of those four brands. The fourth is GMC. Actually, GM has shrinked Pontiac range.

Latest Edition: 20/02/2009 @ 14:53:33
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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 20/02/2009 @ 22:38:45, By Animatronixx


I pretty much doubt that, along with Buick, Chevrolet and Pontiac Cadillac is one of their best brands, no way they are getting rid of it as easily... we will see others like Saturn disappearing before Cadillac.


I wouldn't be so sure of that... They already discontinued Oldsmobile a couple of years ago, which was the oldest American make still existing back then. Cadillac was already endangered back in the 1990s and we all expected them to close for good. And if you ask me: They should've done it. For me, the last acceptable Cadillac was the 1993-96 Fleetwood and all these awful things they released afterwards (Catera, Escalade, whatever... I've already even been waiting for a Cadillac subcompact, a Cadillac bulldozer or anything worse...) didn't deserve to carry the traditional name Cadillac any more. (Just my point of view)

1902 - 2002 would have been a honorable century to last for such a great make. Better than becoming a caricature of itself, anyway.

Latest Edition: 20/02/2009 @ 22:40:21
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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 20/02/2009 @ 23:58:11, By taxiguy
I agree, Cadillac has become too much of a performance brand and not enough of a prestegious luxury brand like it used to be. Their only current offering I approve of is the Deville (or DTS rather I guess) but still that isn't even quite the "classic" Cadillac like a RWD body-on-frame Fleetwood. The STS and CTS are too small and too sporty, and don't even get me started with their other models like Escalde, and SRX...

And by the way CCF, you say that Buick is one of the succesful divisions of GM but it's actually quite the opposite since the only people who will buy a new Buick are 60+ year olds, and they are dwindlinling in numbers. And this is not just an untrue sterotype either, a few years ago it was released that the median age of the new Buick buyer was 64 years old!

Latest Edition: 20/02/2009 @ 23:59:31
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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 21/02/2009 @ 00:08:13, By Neptune
... since the only people who will buy a new Buick are 60+ year olds, and they are dwindlinling in numbers. And this is not just an untrue sterotype either, a few years ago it was released that the median age of the new Buick buyer was 64 years old!


You just contradicted yourself with that answer, seeing as how Buick and Cadillac were in the same boat. That’s exactly why Cadillac started to re-image itself in the first place, as a High Performance Luxury Car brand. Because it was loosing to Mercedes and BMW. The V Series models were going to be its salvation. Cadillac wanted to attract the more youthful wealthy, who are more interested in Lexus, BMW, Audi or Mercedes.

To want the High Performance models to "go-away" is outright silly.

Latest Edition: 21/02/2009 @ 00:10:39
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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 21/02/2009 @ 11:01:10, By antp
Buick make is more successful in China, so they will at least keep it there.
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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 21/02/2009 @ 13:02:03, By ingo
Sounds similar like the survival of "Tempo" in India. :grin:
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GM eliminates it's High Performance Division :(
Published 21/02/2009 @ 13:25:26, By ingo
A comment about the insolvency of Saab:
http://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/0,1518,608966,00.html
The writer says -as all others, too- that the death of Saab was expected, when GM took it over. The acting of the GM-mother was the main reason.

The translation of the headline means "Assimilated to Death"
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