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Extra info vs model name
Published 30/04/2019 @ 18:46:48, By dhill_cb7
Hello everyone. I have noticed something quite a bit while trying to add chassis codes for certain Ford & GM vehicles.

I noticed that we always put 'coupe' or 'sport' in extra information for some vehicles and makes but not all of them.

Two examples we DO put them in the model are Honda Civic Coupe BUT Honda Accord 'Coupe' is in the extra information field.

Ford Explorer Sport & Chevrolet Tahoe Sport both have 'sport' in the extra information. Wouldn't it be easier instead of countless pages of Tahoes & Explorers to put the Sport in the model name?

I was looking to add the chassis for Sport models and realized I had to search through all of them.

Wouldn't it be the same as say Hybrid, PPV, or Limited? We put all those in the model name after Tahoe. I am sure there are more makes but the three that have come up are the Explorer Sport, Tahoe Sport & Honda Accord Coupe.

I only say this as we have soooo many pages and maybe adding that to the model name would alloy a little more structure and accessibility? Just a thought.

Latest Edition: 01/05/2019 @ 12:15:53
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Mass change model info thread
Published 01/05/2019 @ 12:13:35, By antp
Usually it depends if it was part of the model name (i.e. considered as a separated model in the line) or if it is important enough to be considered as a separated model on the site.
"Mass change model info thread" is for change requests so it is not really the right place for such discussion, you could have made a new thread for that :wink:
I'm splitting the messages to a new thread.

Latest Edition: 01/05/2019 @ 12:15:27
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Published 01/05/2019 @ 17:35:54, By dhill_cb7
Sorry about that. I guess that would make sense. I presume then for the Accord, Explorer, & Tahoe it was not part of the model name but for the Civic it was.

Maybe the 1998-present accord coupe's should be separated out? I know that year the coupe became its own model. But we do label the 1991-1997 accords as wagons so maybe we should put coupe in the model name?

What do other members think?
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Published 01/05/2019 @ 17:41:39, By Baube
to me, 1998+ Accord coupe is different enough from the sedan to have its own ID

wagon is kind of rare/unusual enough to keep the ID name

but it's only my opinion

but then, will 1989 and older hatchback want their own ID ? :think:

Latest Edition: 01/05/2019 @ 17:42:58
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Published 01/05/2019 @ 17:56:09, By dsl
People like me who know diddley-squat about Accords would get very confused if only some of them (1998+ or whatever) were listed as Coupe. We should do them all or none of them. Simple systems work best ....
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Published 01/05/2019 @ 19:17:53, By antp
to me, 1998+ Accord coupe is different enough from the sedan to have its own ID


Sure, but the way we name it is also related to how they were sold / advertised : if the "coupe" term was not so much used, we keep it as extra info
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Extra info vs model name
Published 01/05/2019 @ 19:48:42, By night cub
You can browse the brochures here. It's not exactly clear. If we separate Accord Coupe, does that mean we need to rename all the sedans from plain Accord to "Accord Sedan", and Civic sedans to "Civic Sedan"?

http://www.auto-brochures.com/honda.html

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Extra info vs model name
Published 16/06/2019 @ 02:01:24, By dhill_cb7
It would make it confusing I agree. It would help cut down the accords as we have over 4k. Just thought it would help navigate better :smile: we can leave as such.
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Published 16/06/2019 @ 16:36:34, By Sandie
I'd agree that it would be worth adding Coupe to the name for ease of indexing. At least here the brochure describes the saloon simply as "Accord" whereas the Coupe is branded as Accord Coupe:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/63MAAMXQJRhRckE~/s-l500.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/avAAAOxyfyhRXreJ/s-l1600.jpg
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Published 25/09/2019 @ 14:44:04, By dhill_cb7
Any consensus on this yet? I wouldn't mind going through these and fixing them for the Accord. We know by the brochures linked they were separate models.

@antp is that ok or do we leave it the way it is? We already list Civic Coupe as the model name.

We list the Accord with Wagon in the model name.
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Published 26/09/2019 @ 08:34:45, By antp
For me it is easier to leave it as it is :grin:
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Published 28/09/2019 @ 17:48:41, By dhill_cb7
Of couse antp. No worries :wink:
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Published 28/09/2019 @ 19:09:50, By antp
Note that I'm not against a change, but if there is no clear necessity it can stay
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Published 28/09/2019 @ 20:52:03, By Sandie
I think it's a beneficial change, we have over 5,000 vehicles listed simply as Honda Accord so anything that can break that down a bit more is beneficial. Furthermore in some markets the Coupe (for example Europe) was actually a different platform and body to the standard Accord so it's useful to differentiate in this way.

I have noticed that certain cars (for example Cortinas, Minis and most weirdly Rover 800s where there were relatively few examples) now seem to have anonymously (the changer hasn't actually asked if or explained how this would be useful as dhill has) been changed to include the trim level in model name, so why not amend the Accord Coupes to have the bodystyle as part of the model name?

Latest Edition: 28/09/2019 @ 20:53:38
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Published 28/09/2019 @ 23:28:41, By dsl
I'm probably responsible for most of the Cortinas and Minis to make them easier to work with and keep them as consistent as I can get through all the silly little details. But totally innocent for the Rovers.
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Published 29/09/2019 @ 01:35:21, By Baube
i'd be in favor of Accord having a Coupe division like its little sister Civic
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Published 05/10/2019 @ 03:04:47, By Exiv96
I did the Rover 800s, a couple of years ago, I think. It looked rather ridiculous to have for instance, 820 as model name and "i" as extra info, when all BMWs are entered with "318i" or "520d" as model names.

But I should have asked first if it was OK, I know.
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Published 05/10/2019 @ 23:44:15, By Reg1992
I'm okay with listing the coupes separately. I know dhill_cb7 would like it. :smile:
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Published 06/10/2019 @ 11:12:23, By Terra
Also in support for making the Accord Coupes separate. The Wagon already has this distinction . Logically, the coupe should follow.
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Published 06/10/2019 @ 22:16:29, By Sandie
I did the Rover 800s, a couple of years ago, I think. It looked rather ridiculous to have for instance, 820 as model name and "i" as extra info, when all BMWs are entered with "318i" or "520d" as model names.

But I should have asked first if it was OK, I know.


My opinion (and it's just that) is that it isn't so useful to have Si or SLi in the model field (as it isn't really to do with the engine, just trim, though there were differences like fuel injection systems or carburetors between 820, 820e and 820i) but I would keep/have Sterling and Vitesse as separate models without 827 or whatever. But my opinion isn't really binding.
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