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Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 16/01/2006 @ 21:07:51, By antp
Currently it seems that the categories sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach are used differently by each person.
A coach is a 2 or 3-door car with an extra side window, e.g.:
http://www.imcdb.org/images/009/551.jpg
http://www.imcdb.org/images/010/256.jpg
So I think that it is not useful to have so many categories.
I suggest to remplace the current:
- sedan ("berline") = 4-door sedan, sometimes 2-door sedan and some limousines too
- hatchback ("berline à hayon") = 3 and 5-door sedan
- coupé = real coupés and some 2-door sedan
by the following:
- sedan/hatchback/coach
- coupé
OR:
- sedan/hatchback = 4 and 5-door sedan, and some 2-door sedan, depending on the cars
- coupé/coach = real coupés, 3-door hatchback, and some 2-door sedan
But since the coaches are usually quite small I think it is better to put them with the coupés, second solution then. Or we will still get some 2/3-door cars being put in coupés.
I wait for your comments
Latest Edition: 16/01/2006 @ 21:13:44
A coach is a 2 or 3-door car with an extra side window, e.g.:
http://www.imcdb.org/images/009/551.jpg
http://www.imcdb.org/images/010/256.jpg
So I think that it is not useful to have so many categories.
I suggest to remplace the current:
- sedan ("berline") = 4-door sedan, sometimes 2-door sedan and some limousines too
- hatchback ("berline à hayon") = 3 and 5-door sedan
- coupé = real coupés and some 2-door sedan
by the following:
- sedan/hatchback/coach
- coupé
OR:
- sedan/hatchback = 4 and 5-door sedan, and some 2-door sedan, depending on the cars
- coupé/coach = real coupés, 3-door hatchback, and some 2-door sedan
But since the coaches are usually quite small I think it is better to put them with the coupés, second solution then. Or we will still get some 2/3-door cars being put in coupés.
I wait for your comments
Latest Edition: 16/01/2006 @ 21:13:44
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 17/01/2006 @ 12:26:12, By Bebert
J'ai un mal de chien à comprendre la définition de "Sedan". Peut-on dire que la "Limousine" est une grosse "Sedan ? Est-ce que ça tient à sa longueur ? Sinon quels paramètres ?
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 17/01/2006 @ 14:41:30, By antp
Sedan = Berline, 2 portes et 2 glaces de chaque côté
Limousine c'est avec une vitre en plus après la seconde porte.
Pour la discussion sur les limousines j'avais ouvert un autre sondage: http://imcdb.opencommunity.be/forum_topic-6-Limousines.html
La discussion ici est surtout de savoir s'il est utile de différencier le type de carrosserie d'une R16 de celui d'une R18 par exemple (5 et 4 portes, respectivement). Et aussi quoi faire des 3 portes genre Clio, Golf, etc.
Limousine c'est avec une vitre en plus après la seconde porte.
Pour la discussion sur les limousines j'avais ouvert un autre sondage: http://imcdb.opencommunity.be/forum_topic-6-Limousines.html
La discussion ici est surtout de savoir s'il est utile de différencier le type de carrosserie d'une R16 de celui d'une R18 par exemple (5 et 4 portes, respectivement). Et aussi quoi faire des 3 portes genre Clio, Golf, etc.
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 17/01/2006 @ 15:55:09, By Bebert
Oui, mais pour moi deux portes= coupé.
Je n'ai pas encore voté,ni ici, ni sur l'autre topic. Je le ferai quand j'aurai compris le distingo.
Je n'ai pas encore voté,ni ici, ni sur l'autre topic. Je le ferai quand j'aurai compris le distingo.
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 17/01/2006 @ 17:14:53, By antp
Pour les 2-portes c'est pas simple à classer, mais de toute façon ça ne change rien : la question ici est pour les 3 et 5 portes
Et une des propositions est justement de classer les 3 portes comme les 2 portes, dans les coupés (renommé en coupé/coach par exemple pour être plus précis).
Latest Edition: 17/01/2006 @ 17:15:30
Et une des propositions est justement de classer les 3 portes comme les 2 portes, dans les coupés (renommé en coupé/coach par exemple pour être plus précis).
Latest Edition: 17/01/2006 @ 17:15:30
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 23/01/2006 @ 22:26:58, By philr
Pourquoi ne pas avoir le nombre de portes et le style de carosserie séparément?
Par example, 2-3-4-5-6 portes.
Et le style de carosserie:
Sedan, hardtop (sans montants centraux ni cadres), semi-hardtop (sans cadres, avec montants centraux), coupe, hatchback, convertible, break (ou station wagon), roadster, phaeton...
Par example, 2-3-4-5-6 portes.
Et le style de carosserie:
Sedan, hardtop (sans montants centraux ni cadres), semi-hardtop (sans cadres, avec montants centraux), coupe, hatchback, convertible, break (ou station wagon), roadster, phaeton...
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 23/01/2006 @ 22:33:33, By antp
Je doute que ce soit utile de faire tellement de séparations. C'est pour ça que je proposais de regrouper des catégories. On en a déjà supprimé quelques unes il y a un certain temps ("Targa" par exemple)
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 04/02/2006 @ 18:13:46, By Saturn Simon
Not heard the term "coach" used in this way before I must admit. In English a coach is a bus-type vehicle used by holiday tour companies! I think the French word is "autocar"
I would suggest you merge hatchback and coach (since coach = 3-door hatchback in English), and have sections for 4-door sedan and 2-door sedan/coupe.
Latest Edition: 04/02/2006 @ 18:16:55
I would suggest you merge hatchback and coach (since coach = 3-door hatchback in English), and have sections for 4-door sedan and 2-door sedan/coupe.
Latest Edition: 04/02/2006 @ 18:16:55
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 04/02/2006 @ 20:24:44, By antp
Coach is a term used in French for old car body types, I do not know if it was used in US-English or not.
What you suggest is the current system actually i.e. all hatchback are together.
What you suggest is the current system actually i.e. all hatchback are together.
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 05/02/2006 @ 20:31:55, By wrenchhead
This discussion could go on forever as there are many, many terms used. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_body_style
It may be better to simply to use the type assigned by the maker.
Latest Edition: 05/02/2006 @ 20:32:59
It may be better to simply to use the type assigned by the maker.
Latest Edition: 05/02/2006 @ 20:32:59
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 05/02/2006 @ 21:26:07, By antp
You think it would be simple ? And what about the new types created by the makers, like the "coupéspace" which is a 2-door "monospace" (french "monospace" = minivan, I guess. Like the Chrysler Voyager etc.)
That's the name used by Renault for their Avantime.
On that list there are too many body types. It is not useful to separate cars in so many categories.
I do not know if we could group sedan and 5-door hatchback. They are usually similar. 3-door may often look more like a coupé than a sedan. And there is still the problem of cars like the VW Beetle: it is not a hatchback, it is not really a coupé, not really a sedan
That's the name used by Renault for their Avantime.
On that list there are too many body types. It is not useful to separate cars in so many categories.
I do not know if we could group sedan and 5-door hatchback. They are usually similar. 3-door may often look more like a coupé than a sedan. And there is still the problem of cars like the VW Beetle: it is not a hatchback, it is not really a coupé, not really a sedan
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 23/02/2006 @ 04:21:25, By wrenchhead
While on this subject, I wonder why pickups, vans and SUVs are not in the truck category rather than cars.
Latest Edition: 23/02/2006 @ 04:24:52
Latest Edition: 23/02/2006 @ 04:24:52
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 23/02/2006 @ 10:18:57, By antp
"Trucks" categories are for heavier trucks. "Lorries" in UK-English.
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 11/09/2006 @ 14:20:09, By keef
A40s - http://www.imcdb.org/search.php?resultsStyle=asList&makeMatch=2&make=&modelMatch=- 0&model=a40&modelInclModel=on&modelInclChassis=on
Some appear as "sedan" others as "Supermini".
Some appear as "sedan" others as "Supermini".
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 11/09/2006 @ 16:33:33, By dwd4X4
I think that coupe, hatchback and coach (although I've never heard of this term before) should be added. As they are all so close. And sedan should be all it's own, as it is probably the biggest catagory.
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 11/09/2006 @ 17:17:50, By antp
what do you mean by "should be added"? there are already hatchback and coupe categories.
Coach was suggested but rejected, and currently are listed in hatchback & coupés.
For the A40, is it a sedan or a supermini? What is the length of the car? I was putting in supermini the cars that were less than 3.5m
Coach was suggested but rejected, and currently are listed in hatchback & coupés.
For the A40, is it a sedan or a supermini? What is the length of the car? I was putting in supermini the cars that were less than 3.5m
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 12/09/2006 @ 17:49:19, By dwd4X4
I meant, added into one catagory. Like:
"Coupe, Hatchback, coach" or something.
And sedan or saloon have their own catagory, and not have it shared.
"Coupe, Hatchback, coach" or something.
And sedan or saloon have their own catagory, and not have it shared.
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 12/09/2006 @ 18:57:50, By antp
4-door hatchback ("5-door") should not be mixed with coach and coupe anyway.
Sedan, hatchback, coupé and coach
Published 12/09/2006 @ 21:20:09, By keef
For the A40, is it a sedan or a supermini? What is the length of the car? I was putting in supermini the cars that were less than 3.5m
You were putting the A40 Farina (you see we need this to properly indentify model, even though it is not it's "official" name) as Supermini, but I think it should really be Sedan.
A40 is 3664 mm long < http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=50457&Austin >